What really happen whit civilians at the end

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What really happen whit civilians at the end

Post by yasirotta » 03 Jul 2011, 10:19

I might write this at wrong place, but mods please move if needed.

I would like to explain why lots of civilians was ending the game much earlier, and this is from my view. I was playing as civilian, at mineworkers.

1. Poldavian knifekills
I was playing as high LARP level, and going on every sitsuation as my character would go. Anyway, i was captured at second day by poldavians, tooken as prisoner and ofc i was head on the ground. After bodysearch, poldavian found "Firemission Crypt" witch was encrypted code. They wasnt intrested asking about it, or getting anything else than killing me whit knifekill. Clever. You found weird codepaper from civilian, no more questions. Kill him. GREAT JOB POLDAVIA !

Second knifekill was when i raised my head from sleepingbag, 3-4 poldavians on my house. After saying that we got 2 civilians not wearing eyeglasses, poldavian soldiers just said pretty much "F YOU these are ingame buildings. Guess what happend in next 5 seconds ? Knifekill. GREAT JOB POLDAVIA !

Thrid kill was actually whit handgun, but i count it on here. At last day, i was fleeing away and running straight to poldavian patrol. I give up, raise my hands and rifle (witch was 1st time in weapon in my hands in that game) above my head, and yelled i give up. How about poldavians ? Asked am i friendly ? I aswered that im civilian, so they repeated the question. I said; "Well im fro.." BANG BANG from handgun. GREAT JOB POLDAVIA !

2. Church
At last day, Poldavia conquered Janco city. All civilians pushed into church, and they fired rocket or somekind bigger weapon in there. I wasnt in city that moment, but every civilian can confirm this happend. Question; "Who the fucking idiot told to kill every civialian, and what reason ?" GREAT JOB POLDAVIA !

3. City under attacks
Poldavia, was attacking Janco all the time. Maybe they got reason by their missions, i dont know. But after all, these attacks was ruining all civilians LARP mentality. Berget Staff was made BIG work to plan civilian storyline, missions, props, buildings and everything. You can try play civilian next time, i can play poldavian idiot shooting civilians. Do we have a deal ? No. Why ? Tell me that.

Anyway, whole attitude was pretty much messed up wiht poldavians. I know i blaime whole side, but i also understand that theres always rotten fruits in the basket. All Poldavian players arent idiots, actually i even thank those Poldavian players who kept me alive, those only ones. You remember, at night when you draw a handgun and i fall on my knees beggin "do not shoot me". That was good part of my LARP, and thank you that you guys did your job like you suppose to. You checked im unarmed, asked few questions, and let me go. That it suppose to happen.

So, im really pissed off about whole thing what happend. Why we all wouldnt just join big factions and forget all civilians and LARP ? Should we all just go and shoot everyone we see ?

No offence, but also this time theres finger pointing on some Russian and Italian players. Like i said, they all not bad, and theres rotten fruits in the basket. Anyway, lots of people told same story again and again. Like in here, like in prewious games.

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PS: Sorry my possible typos, not in good mood and less sober. I can talk more about these what i wrote, and i would like to hear answer why civilians was slaughterd so much.
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Post by Waldo » 03 Jul 2011, 12:58

The official ROEs according the Civ faction where only to fire, when we were fired on, so it seems that there were some rogue players who didn't want to stick to the rules. The only encounters with civis where the mayor at the graveyard, who we stopped, searched and let go. The other encounters where some hard firefights with the firm that ambushed us.

There are allways players in every faction who don't care for storyline, getting intel or put at least a little bit of larp into the game (at this point I want to apologize to the firm guys who took me as prisioner after our guerilla attack at UN and Janco, for being a bit uninterested when they shot me, but i was so damned tired :( ) These players can give some very bad moments to everyone, even in the own units. I think it is a problem we have to live with, like players not taking their hits.


P.S. Please don't blame the whole poldavian army for your bad moments. we had a lot of nice players who treated the civilians / prisioners the correct way
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Post by Erka92 » 03 Jul 2011, 13:22

Yasirotta, i agree with you!
I played as UN and My team met with plodavians many times.
I hope that the guarding of UN/civ respawn by poldavians wont occur Next year :)
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Post by Os » 03 Jul 2011, 13:59

It wasnt easy telling the diffrence bettven civilians in the firm and other civilians.
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Post by Waldo » 03 Jul 2011, 14:23

Erka92 wrote: I hope that the guarding of UN/civ respawn by poldavians wont occur Next year :)
The problem with the respawn was, that it was directly at the road we had to use to attack UN, so we often got pinned next to it. This was not our fault.
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Post by Mrfoss » 03 Jul 2011, 14:39

I think it's sad that it hapend, i personally tried to add a little LARP to my own play because im grateful for you that come and LARP. It gives life to the game. Im also impressed at how many civilians where everywhere on the map. It must have been a lot of walking around without anyone around.

My angel was that my mother and father was from janco and i had signed up in the poldovian army to protect Janco form the evil NAF and UN corruption. Funny enough my team leader had decided to play the evil leader with no compromise. Had some really funny situations with some very confused civilians.

To explain what i think was the problem. There was little information given out to the soldiers about civilians roles. We also where far away form janco and had to ambush or sneak our way past black ops, rangers and The Firm on our way to janco. So engaging in a loud and public talk with civilians was never high on our wish list. Also many times when we did talk to civilians then it would seem like naf forces where tipped off. I think many poldovians just assumed it was everyone against poldovia. If there was any goal that involved civilians then I was not informed of it by HQ. Therefore I did not know there was a point in searching civilians. After some NAF soldiers strip searched some of my platoon on the other hand I found out I could have been a bit more rough with civilians and NAF prisoners.

One thing to the berge crew and maybe an attempt on excusing us, if UN is going to side with NAF and NAF base is closer to janco then remember it keeps poldovians from LARPing or even standing in Janco without expecting to be shot any second. Thus making everyone in janco a potential threat. Its then hard to find out that civilians have many agends and are not a unified lot like the rest of the armys. When the game then stretches on and poldovians get tired they find it easyer to assume every civilian is an enemy. It did not help that OD was a possible color for NAF. Many thought they where Janco civs that where supporting NAF.
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Post by diamid » 03 Jul 2011, 14:46

Hey everyone.

I could not partisipate this year due to work issues. But have allready talked to my friends that was playing UN.

I hate when people don't follow the rules, take hits, use ileagal bb's and just ruin the play for everyone els. But I agree, that you/we should not blame a whole side for what some are doing.

But from what I have heard, how do people look at the situation with firms, mercs or other armed forces that have a locked location in the civ area? Does this make the life of the Civ LARPS a living hell and makes the story harder to follow or do it work?

I'm not a big LARP'er myself, but I like when people are doing it, for it makes the game more fun. But from what I could understand, it was almost impossible this year do to constant attacks and that some where just killing the Civ without any good reason. Something I think is sad, espesially since there are ROE; and they should be followed.

But I would like to hear more stories and would also like to hear what people think of the situation where there are armed/hostile gangs/troops based in the Civ City.
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Post by Rectunator » 03 Jul 2011, 14:49

Waldo wrote:at this point I want to apologize to the firm guys who took me as prisioner after our guerilla attack at UN and Janco, for being a bit uninterested when they shot me, but i was so damned tired :(

P.S. Please don't blame the whole poldavian army for your bad moments. we had a lot of nice players who treated the civilians / prisioners the correct way
Oh I knew your nick was familiar. I dont blame you for looking uninterested, we had just sold you to mobsters so that they could cut you up and grill you. I understand if you were a bit uninterested about your future after that. I hope I didnt hit you anywhere where it might've hurt when I executed you oh so wisely as a Firm member outside the bloody Firm office. Was there a real reason for your attack of was it just "well we havent been given any orders, lets go play airsoft" -kind of attack, since even our base suffered from them?

Os, Firm members had the firm logo on their caps. We were a bit dissapointed with the Poldavians since the backstory told us that we were supposed to be there (in Janco) with their blessing, but since day one Poldavia treated us as semi-hostiles and it was the NAF, with whom we were supposed to have cold relations as the Firm, was very friendly towards us. ...but when the black hoods were pulled on, all bets were off and it was gung-ho all the way.
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Post by Solhall » 03 Jul 2011, 15:02

was in the UN and, well it was hard to help out the civilans and interact with them after the first big poldavian assault, after that it was almost nonstop assaults and combat,, and we where to few in numbers to actually keep the city and do our missions with the civilans and the city that was more LARP based. :)

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Post by Erka92 » 03 Jul 2011, 15:47

Waldo, i meant the respawn near the powerlines and the guys around it aiming at us didnt have to do it.
However i met i really nice poldavian who appologized for shooting me :D
Really fun game and seeing the civillians LARPIng made me interrested in maybe playing as civilian Next berget 8)
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Post by Waldo » 03 Jul 2011, 15:52

Rectunator wrote:
Waldo wrote:at this point I want to apologize to the firm guys who took me as prisioner after our guerilla attack at UN and Janco, for being a bit uninterested when they shot me, but i was so damned tired :(

P.S. Please don't blame the whole poldavian army for your bad moments. we had a lot of nice players who treated the civilians / prisioners the correct way
Oh I knew your nick was familiar. I dont blame you for looking uninterested, we just solf you to mobsters so that they could cut you up and grill you. I understand if you were a bit uninterested about your future after that. I hope I didnt hit you anywhere where it might've hurt when I executed you oh so wisely as a Firm member outside the bloody Firm office. Was there a real reason for your attack of was it just "well we havent been given any orders, lets go play airsoft" -kind of attack, since even our base suffered from them.

Os, firm members had the firm logo on their caps. We were a bit dissapointed with the Poldavians since the backstory told us that we were supposed to be there (in Janco) with their blessing, but since day one Poldavia treated us as semi-hostiles and it was the NAF, with whom we were supposed to have cold relations as the Firm, was very friendly towards us. ...but when the black hoods were pulled on, all bets were off and it was gung-ho all the way.
We were ordered to do a small attack on UN base to gather intel and eventually steal some fuel for our artiellery gun. My squad was ordered to flank the UN. after we created a hell of confusion when we attacked from behind the toilets, we pushed back into the woods and went on, because we thought there would still be UN base....well we went one click to far and ended up behind the Firm building :D
It was a real nice firefight with you, and the execution didnt hurt at all :wink:


I was a bit disappointed that we didn't had the real chance to interact with the civilians, and be some kind of part of the storyline. Also i was sad, that we couldn't go to Janco to use the casino and so on, because UN turned hostile on us ( why exactly they did this is still unclear to me. the HQ had no info for me)

EDIT: By the way, where there other armed groups at the civilian side? because when we where ambushed by civis i didn't see firm logos...
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Post by D-Cycle » 03 Jul 2011, 15:54

As somebody already wrote - there are bad fruits in every basket. I played on the Poldavian side and there were some of our units that didn't follow orders and just did their own race. Quite frustrating for our units that did follow orders, story and ROE to see friendly units running past us stealing the show and blasting anything that moved.

The ROE we were told about did change some during the game.

Initially we were told that UN were to be considered neutral - and we were only allowed to fire if fired upon.

A day later we were told that UN were now hostile to us and we were free to engage, and so we did. And later on it was changed back to UN being netural again.

Civilans on the other hand were never legitimate targets, unless they posted a immediate threat. We were only ordered to search civilians for weapons, and if armed we were to see their permit.

A bad issue for the UN side was that many players had a very dark "light blue" color on their armbands - and it was very easy to confuse them with NAF-players.
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Post by Ocelot » 03 Jul 2011, 15:56

As a simple poldavian soldier i can tell you that me and my team ( and i am almost sure also my platoon) never shot or killed a civilian player.

Is also true that we've never eneterd in janco but i've heard about poldavian soldier firing without care to civilians too.

My only experience with a civilian was near janco during a fire fight with naf forces. I saw a civ medic on the ground, i take him out from the fireline, brought him to a medic to heal him. Then i asked what was he doing with the naf soldiers, have a little coversation and told him that poldavian soldier care about janco people and to take cover.

I like a lot larp players and i always try to larp back, but this year i've had really poor contact with civilian players.

For the question of the respawn, naf forces was fleeing trough that way we just followed them, but in my opinion that was just a bad place to place a respawn, in fact we never had argument with un an civ player coming to spawn back...
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Post by Rectunator » 03 Jul 2011, 16:17

Waldo wrote:By the way, where there other armed groups at the civilian side? because when we where ambushed by civis i didn't see firm logos...
I believe there were the gypsies, some bandits/brigands and then us, the firm. But I can tell you now that we, the Zansian Black Ops, conducted raids in civilian clothing without the firm logo (we were told that this is was allowed and even encouraged since it would create confusion among the other parties, confusion which would hopefully further help our job as Zanzians) and pinned the blame on gypsies and bandits. For example the two squads created from our team engaged the entire Poldavian main base (15 vs hundred+) on Friday afternoon in civvie clothing without patches or identifications (apart from the armbands obviously) when we were tasked with poisoning the water supply of the said main base (in which we finally succeeded with 5 men, who were then wounded and taken prisoner and eventually executed.)
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Post by Waldo » 03 Jul 2011, 16:30

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Waldo wrote:By the way, where there other armed groups at the civilian side? because when we where ambushed by civis i didn't see firm logos...
I believe there were the gypsies, some bandits/brigands and then us, the firm. But I can tell you now that we, the Zanzian Black Ops, conducted raids in civilian clothing without the firm logo (we were told that this is was allowed and even encouraged since it would create confusion among the other parties, confusion which would hopefully further help our job as Zanzians) and pinned the blame on gypsies and bandits. For example the two squads created from our team engaged the entire Poldavian main base (15 vs hundred+) on Friday afternoon in civvie clothing without patches or identifications (apart from the armbands obviously) when we were tasked with poisoning the water supply of the said main base (in which we finally succeeded with 5 men, who were then wounded and taken prisoner and eventually executed.)
I think this also lead to the mistrust against the civilian faction.....But our orders were at all times to never shoot a civilian except for the ones firing at us, or at executins.
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