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OFFICIAL RED-SIDE DEBRIEFING

Post by Brujo » 22 Jun 2007, 01:14

Please let me sum up a decent debriefing after operation B5. Everything I will write is my personal view from my own observation and action. I am aware that some things I write here might be twisted or not true, feel free to correct me.

Thursday morning I took over command of VDV (airborne) batallion which was dropped at Hemsö island, central Sweden. Orders were clear, eliminating of three coastal cannons and wipeout of allied (fictional) military base at Härnösand.
VDV batallion consisted of four companies and two special platoons. All together about 450-500 troops. Company commanders were selected mainly based on their own applications or recommended by others. During this day my first problem occured - double base. More than half of red players had setup their camp at the main parking while some 30-40% set up tents inside the red base. This affected three companies out of four to be split with one KM distance. Hence people who went to bed in the parking area had no contact with what was going on in the base, did not return on schedule and were in most cases missing from their commanders or myself.
Second problem that only added to confusion was mess with radio communication. There was not even enough for network at the company level. Sure every commander had his radio but in most cases the link was only to his team. Not even whole company.
Friday early morning - game start
Red side received three starting missions from GM:
1. Destroying of radar mast in bay area
2. Collecting of landmines near finnish camp (which at the time we did not know where it was)
3. Aggressive recon of the coastal guns area
Hco and GreenPlt from Vco combined with Mech Plt were ordered upon mast and upon completion they prolonged to the guns.
Bco made approach from S to guns, according to feedbeck with much success in taking them - but no guns were destroyed because we had no TNT charges yet.
Dco was ordered to sweep a broad area near the lake for boxes but intel set their perimeter too N and they returned with no boxes.
Friday early afternoon, players slowly woke up and collected at the base, one player was reported health issue and was escorted to the safezone for check-up.
Because GM's served us no actual missions I thought to pay a visit to my fellow blues with two companies and mech. Indeed have we managed to gather around 150-200 soldiers and moved W. While descending from our base ambulance siren was herd. Cause at that time was yet unknown to us. Adventure into enemy base was a powerful and joyful experience for most attackers, this is something what they came to B5 for... Unfortunately we took too much time and defenders respawned aswel as some elements that struck in our 6. Russian attack failed, good game, back to base for lunch.
At the base the news struck us hard. Immediately have I rushed to safezone and a Crew member was brought to base to explain the situation. Game-off was called until 2100 Fri.
Friday night
This night was quite depressing, we did some box-finding missions and Boris was yet again sent to coastal guns for aggressive recon. Again, without TNT.
Mech Plt aswel made another attempt but Swedish were waiting this time. Mech was destroyed in matter of minutes. Another attempt would be made to swedish positions but radio com with artilery squad (Timpa) was down and attackers had to return without even trying.
Boris was again available on Sat at around noon. Mech aswel.
Saturday morning
Crewmembers walking around tired and sleeping camp with cameras gave us some bad feeling. I was ordered not to send missions out and let the people be woken up by bangs. My habds were tied but the more fun it was for the players I suppose. So I sat back and enjoyed the show. INCOOOOOMIIING!!!! Bangs trashed around the base killing soldiers at coffee, waking up in panic grabbing for rifles and taking postitions in fortifications... cruel but worth experiencing! With two companies out cold due to night missions, mech was sleeping aswel and some players just wouldn't crawl out of their tents even if bombed... base defense was spread very thin. What was to be a 0900-1200 mission lasted well until 1500.
Saturday afternoon
At that time I had several platoons loosing temper, asking me to stop this nonsense and give them real missions. A GM was called in and I faced him with two options:
1. I shoot the rocket NOW
2. GM's stop allied attack for one hour of R&R, my boys did not even have time for a decent morning coffee... and then give allies time to destroy the damn rocket from 1600-1800.
Although GM's chose later option, attacks were not really stopped, rather only reduced. Still at the time Mech and Boris returned and also several other late birds crawled into base. Many platoons left to safezone for their first meal of the day yet base appeared to be safe. Allied presence in the area was reduced.
Saturday evening
Several small-unit missions during the day recovered TNT aswel as tank spare-parts which were needed for acquiring them two tanks.
1800 - SS missile launch, Härnösand allied base smoked.
up to 2000 I had my players rest and regroup, eat and rehydrate. Saturday was a brave day but also very stressful for many. I apologize for that.
2030 - soviet batallion was lined up at the safezone for final assault to the coastal guns. One costal gun to be exact. KGB undercover mission destroyed two guns where our agents sneaked in as water-maintenance personnel.Plan was to launch a massive assault to swedish base, Dco and Hco including mech and tanks from the W, while Vasilij and Boris including Sergey Plt (specnaz) made their approach from south. In the middle of this assault I noticed the immense mass of combating airsofters and suddenly it struck me what a bad idea this actually was. If anyone was hurt physically during this operation I apologize. This was a planned chaos...
During my approach through the western gate my unit was ambushed by finns, killing commander Brujo and his orderly Saint. Personally I believe the game was stopped in the exact appropriate moment. Whether last gun was destroyed or not, this is not an issue at all. We played a good two-day game, many players went over their limits, Urban unfortunately fataly. This is something I had never thought would be possible - that I'd lose a man during a simple game such as airsoft. My heartfelt sympathy to Urban's family and friends...

Whether you like it or not, I am going to make also my personal analysis of four companies and two platoons and present my opinion on their commanders. Companies are listed in order from best to worst:

DMITRY ROTA
This unit was the last to get appointed company commander and was last to form. It was only formed sometime in May. Kattis did an incredible job during planing phase, she managed to put together a huge company of nearly 120 swedish and danish players. Initially very quiet company they were the backbone of Saturday's base defense. Since whole unit slept in-game in the base, they were the single most dependable unit at my disposal and alone this fact earned them their biggest problem - dull and boring base defense. You have no idea how bad I feel about using this fact and making you sit tight for hours, but it was Dmitry that saved the day in my opinion. On Saturday Dmitry was taken over by Doc from Denmark, you did a great job and I hope you had your fun at the swedish base!

HERMAN ROTA
As name suggests this unit was intially made of german players. At a later stage they were added a strong platoon of some 40 norwegians under Mixmasters command. Last days of planning brought also several swedish players to the coy. Under command of Lord Helmchen and his 2IC Raphael, the mercenery company ranks second in my opinion. Their planning of 12h shifts for halves of unit gave me a unit that was around for the full day, but never as whole company. Again they were used for base protection mainly and for that I apologize yet again.

BORIS ROTA
2/3 of russians and baltic players, 1/3 of western red-alliance players that came to B5 only to experience once in a lifetime oportunity to play side by side with authentic russians. As I established, communication with russians is a bit more difficult than with others, but once we started walking in the same direction, Boris was a very powerful unit. Vader himself was on moments very tired looking and overherd lots of information at briefings so I had a translator with him at a later stage. My compliments to Demon (fox-tail), this is one hard-core russian you don't want to meet as the enemy. My respect also to Pavel, Shaman and others who led the group, I wish Russia was closer to Slovenia so we could play more often!

VASILIJ ROTA
I thought initially this would be my favorite company but as it turned out unit had their CO unavailable most of the time, platoons were on their own and none of them stayed in base for protection long enough, players disobeyed and went looking for their own action disregarding what happened to base. So Dmitry and Herman had to cover spots for them. Mike, you blew it clean in my opinion.

----------- not ranked anymore, we also had two special platoons by our side:

MIHAIL
Mechanised platoon of some 40 slovaks. Crazy people, very efficient and very dependable. But then again, Tomy you know all that already.

SERGEI
Specnaz platoon formed of mainly dutch and belgian players, started their fight on Thursday before noon and their commanders are today considered my friends. Waffelke, Red, Whiteace... great company, joyful times in base and hell of a protection unit during my expedition! Also many thanks for stepping in my place during my sleep. See you in Slovenija in September ;)

Main two things I would change if I knew then what I know today:
- I would NOT make a fixed base. All the tents would be offgame and our operations would only then be 90% offensive.
- I would push for radios all the way down to platoon level. Up to May this was the plan, only to be at the beginning of the game decided that there are not enough radios for everyone. If platoon and coy commanders would know this in advance, they would order their radios.

With these two issues solved we would perform way better than we actually did.

It was a pleasure to play with you and against you, thank you all for attending this game and putting your trust in me. See you at the next event!
B.

Müller

Post by Müller » 22 Jun 2007, 03:34

I have two things to say other than thanks for a great game (minus the things that the event organizers could've done better which has all been discussed in other threads)...

1. Why would you stop the allied attack just so your boys could have some breakfast and beauty sleep? we (Rangers/SF/Commando from NATO forces) moved for 12, yes TWELVE hours with barely any food, water or rest through every kind of tough terrain to get to start that arty and attack on your sleeping asses (no offence) and we never complained... (Im just curious, because if people really do not care to get out of their tents just to sleep more, then what were they doing at berget?

2. What do you have to say about all those russians (as in players registered to the red side, not as in people from russia) whom committed crimes obvious accordingly to swedish law (I'm referring to the beatings your prisoners and their equipment took)...

Im just curious on what you think about those two points, other than that, we appreciated the soviet meat you kept throwing at our base, made our sleep quite interesting not knowing when youd get shot in the face while inside your sleeping bag on the ground instead of being closekilled....

good game all in all :D

Brujo

Post by Brujo » 22 Jun 2007, 08:03

1. Not everything is black and white special guy and not everyone is special forces i guess... my main task was to keep people happy, secondary was to keep the team together.

2. Go provoke someone else. No laws were braken to my knowledge at least noone was charged with anything, hm? Now lay off, I will delete all further provocations on this forum.

Finarvas

Post by Finarvas » 22 Jun 2007, 12:17

Thanks for this Brujo, it's always good with a nice summary.

We in the 3rd Platoon in Boris are happy with the game, sure there was some miscommunication and we didn't always get action missions and it might have seemed like we were complaining a bit to you sometimes, but we knew this was going to be milsim(-ish) and we had a great game thanks to you and Vader and everyone else.

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Post by waffelke » 22 Jun 2007, 12:58

brujo your wisch is my comand
thx for the big fun
see ya in slovenia end sept

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Post by Müller » 22 Jun 2007, 13:18

Brujo wrote:2. Go provoke someone else. No laws were braken to my knowledge at least noone was charged with anything, hm? Now lay off, I will delete all further provocations on this forum.
I didnt mean to try and provoke anything, if it came out that way Im deeply sorry.

Alright so you're not aware of the police reports, that's all I wanted to know, if you knew or not...
Have a good one :)

LoomChild

Post by LoomChild » 22 Jun 2007, 14:21

Brujo, Thanks for the debrief, been waiting for it.

And as a member of DCoy I can say that Guard Duty was OK, after all, I did go for a MilSim-ish game, and that includes guarding your base. Don't feel sorry for having two coys guard, be angry at the people dissobeying orders (what's the punishment for that? ;)

And besides, being in the first lines at that last fight...was worth ALL the guard duty I got. Trust me on that one.

So all in all, you made a great job!

Edit: Deleted non-briefing related things -Brujo

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Post by Brujo » 22 Jun 2007, 17:06

Müller, you said your piece and got my answer.

Others, please do not reply to him, I will delete everything not-related to debriefing.

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Post by freno » 22 Jun 2007, 22:26

Hello! I was in Urban´s group in D-Coy and i stand post with him and one other friend. He got in bed round 02:00 for the last time. Me and Roger stayed posted to 06:00. When Urban passed away, we discussed in the group if we should abord mission, but all of us was quite sure: -Urban wanted us to complete the game, so we did. Because i am newbee in airsoft, i´m glad that it was some "non-action-missions" also. I´m convinced that we completed the game and gived honour to Urban. Then, in fact, that the game was finished on saturday insted of sunday is just a reality. In real war you never can say what day it´s over! I´m pleased for our leaders and the crew.
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Post by Supernaut » 23 Jun 2007, 03:55

I thought I should write a short rundown of the KGB/GRU group. We we're ordered to act as kind of MP and take care of prisoners as well as boosting morale for our troops and taking care of some special infiltration missions.

We started the game at around 02:00 Friday. We we're "paradropped" near the Finnish base together with a box containing the guidance chip for the nerve gas missile. After hiding the box containing the chip our five man group started to make it's way towards the Soviet base. After about an hours walk over the hill and watching the beautiful landscape and being followed some distances by enemies we reported in at the Soviet base at around 04:00 and went to bed.

Friday morning we got up with a special assignment to infiltrate the Swedish base and destroy the coastal artillery placements. One in our team, Hector (StyggaVargen) remained at the base to lead attempts to retrieve the important chop for the missile. I'll let him recount long struggle to recapture the chip due to us hiding it a bit too close to the Finnish base. The four other of use changed to civilian clothing and got civilian armbands and got a transport to the Swedish base. We we're supposed to do the infiltration at 12:00 but due to the tragic death of Urban, this had to be postponed until 21:00. At that time we entered the mountain in disguise as electricians with bombs and weapons hidden. We set up bombs in all three coastal guns and two decoys. Soon after the Swedish commanders was alerted that something was awry with the electricians and sent in a group to investigate. Since we were only four fighters we set up a tactic of using the darkness in the tunnels to our advantage and try to confuse the enemy about our numbers. We waited at corners and when their flashlights came close we emptied a magazine each and quickly retreated to the next corner while they regrouped and moved onward in a cautious matter. They managed to disarm two bombs; one decoy and one coastal gun. Our team evacuated through the back door and made our way back to report to the Soviet base.

Saturday gave us a rude awakening in the form of the base assault and our primary focus during the day was prisoner handling and base defense. Having secured the chip, the missile could be launched promptly and eliminate the fictional main NATO force in Härnösand. Thus we had completed our mission securing the Soviet invasion of Sweden and it was decided that we should make a final push and eradicate the last remaining pocket of resistance on Hemsö island and take out the last remaining coastal gun. I myself was feeling ill and slept through the final battle, but I hear it was intense.

I will let my teammates fill in the blanks from when we were separated and when I was ill if needed.

Thanks to all players who helped make this a fun experience, especially Brujo and the impressively well organized Swedish defense force.

/Johannes Axner AKA Supernaut

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Post by skimutis » 25 Jun 2007, 14:50

Hi. I know that I've been nagging on the chain of command on another thread. After a while of thinking I've summoned it all up to one single question to Brujo.

Why wasn't the Vasiljiv CO replaced when he clearly didn't do his job?
If nobody would step forward and take on the task, (guess you couldn't force anyone) then perhaps the company could have been splitted upp in platoons and assigned to other companys.

I'm only a RL sergeant and don't pretend to have a clue how to organize a battalion, but I do know that it sucked ass to be in a company without a CO

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Re: OFFICIAL RED-SIDE DEBRIEFING

Post by akira SA » 25 Jun 2007, 15:54

Brujo wrote:Please let me sum up a decent debriefing after operation B5. Everything I will write is my personal view from my own observation and action. I am aware that some things I write here might be twisted or not true, feel free to correct me.

Thursday morning I took over command of VDV (airborne) batallion which was dropped at Hemsö island, central Sweden. Orders were clear, eliminating of three coastal cannons and wipeout of allied (fictional) military base at Härnösand.
VDV batallion consisted of four companies and two special platoons. All together about 450-500 troops. Company commanders were selected mainly based on their own applications or recommended by others. During this day my first problem occured - double base. More than half of red players had setup their camp at the main parking while some 30-40% set up tents inside the red base. This affected three companies out of four to be split with one KM distance. Hence people who went to bed in the parking area had no contact with what was going on in the base, did not return on schedule and were in most cases missing from their commanders or myself.
Second problem that only added to confusion was mess with radio communication. There was not even enough for network at the company level. Sure every commander had his radio but in most cases the link was only to his team. Not even whole company.
Friday early morning - game start
Red side received three starting missions from GM:
1. Destroying of radar mast in bay area
2. Collecting of landmines near finnish camp (which at the time we did not know where it was)
3. Aggressive recon of the coastal guns area
Hco and GreenPlt from Vco combined with Mech Plt were ordered upon mast and upon completion they prolonged to the guns.
Bco made approach from S to guns, according to feedbeck with much success in taking them - but no guns were destroyed because we had no TNT charges yet.
Dco was ordered to sweep a broad area near the lake for boxes but intel set their perimeter too N and they returned with no boxes.
Friday early afternoon, players slowly woke up and collected at the base, one player was reported health issue and was escorted to the safezone for check-up.
Because GM's served us no actual missions I thought to pay a visit to my fellow blues with two companies and mech. Indeed have we managed to gather around 150-200 soldiers and moved W. While descending from our base ambulance siren was herd. Cause at that time was yet unknown to us. Adventure into enemy base was a powerful and joyful experience for most attackers, this is something what they came to B5 for... Unfortunately we took too much time and defenders respawned aswel as some elements that struck in our 6. Russian attack failed, good game, back to base for lunch.
At the base the news struck us hard. Immediately have I rushed to safezone and a Crew member was brought to base to explain the situation. Game-off was called until 2100 Fri.
Friday night
This night was quite depressing, we did some box-finding missions and Boris was yet again sent to coastal guns for aggressive recon. Again, without TNT.
Mech Plt aswel made another attempt but Swedish were waiting this time. Mech was destroyed in matter of minutes. Another attempt would be made to swedish positions but radio com with artilery squad (Timpa) was down and attackers had to return without even trying.
Boris was again available on Sat at around noon. Mech aswel.
Saturday morning
Crewmembers walking around tired and sleeping camp with cameras gave us some bad feeling. I was ordered not to send missions out and let the people be woken up by bangs. My habds were tied but the more fun it was for the players I suppose. So I sat back and enjoyed the show. INCOOOOOMIIING!!!! Bangs trashed around the base killing soldiers at coffee, waking up in panic grabbing for rifles and taking postitions in fortifications... cruel but worth experiencing! With two companies out cold due to night missions, mech was sleeping aswel and some players just wouldn't crawl out of their tents even if bombed... base defense was spread very thin. What was to be a 0900-1200 mission lasted well until 1500.
Saturday afternoon
At that time I had several platoons loosing temper, asking me to stop this nonsense and give them real missions. A GM was called in and I faced him with two options:
1. I shoot the rocket NOW
2. GM's stop allied attack for one hour of R&R, my boys did not even have time for a decent morning coffee... and then give allies time to destroy the damn rocket from 1600-1800.
Although GM's chose later option, attacks were not really stopped, rather only reduced. Still at the time Mech and Boris returned and also several other late birds crawled into base. Many platoons left to safezone for their first meal of the day yet base appeared to be safe. Allied presence in the area was reduced.
Saturday evening
Several small-unit missions during the day recovered TNT aswel as tank spare-parts which were needed for acquiring them two tanks.
1800 - SS missile launch, Härnösand allied base smoked.
up to 2000 I had my players rest and regroup, eat and rehydrate. Saturday was a brave day but also very stressful for many. I apologize for that.
2030 - soviet batallion was lined up at the safezone for final assault to the coastal guns. One costal gun to be exact. KGB undercover mission destroyed two guns where our agents sneaked in as water-maintenance personnel.Plan was to launch a massive assault to swedish base, Dco and Hco including mech and tanks from the W, while Vasilij and Boris including Sergey Plt (specnaz) made their approach from south. In the middle of this assault I noticed the immense mass of combating airsofters and suddenly it struck me what a bad idea this actually was. If anyone was hurt physically during this operation I apologize. This was a planned chaos...
During my approach through the western gate my unit was ambushed by finns, killing commander Brujo and his orderly Saint. Personally I believe the game was stopped in the exact appropriate moment. Whether last gun was destroyed or not, this is not an issue at all. We played a good two-day game, many players went over their limits, Urban unfortunately fataly. This is something I had never thought would be possible - that I'd lose a man during a simple game such as airsoft. My heartfelt sympathy to Urban's family and friends...

Whether you like it or not, I am going to make also my personal analysis of four companies and two platoons and present my opinion on their commanders. Companies are listed in order from best to worst:

DMITRY ROTA
This unit was the last to get appointed company commander and was last to form. It was only formed sometime in May. Kattis did an incredible job during planing phase, she managed to put together a huge company of nearly 120 swedish and danish players. Initially very quiet company they were the backbone of Saturday's base defense. Since whole unit slept in-game in the base, they were the single most dependable unit at my disposal and alone this fact earned them their biggest problem - dull and boring base defense. You have no idea how bad I feel about using this fact and making you sit tight for hours, but it was Dmitry that saved the day in my opinion. On Saturday Dmitry was taken over by Doc from Denmark, you did a great job and I hope you had your fun at the swedish base!

HERMAN ROTA
As name suggests this unit was intially made of german players. At a later stage they were added a strong platoon of some 40 norwegians under Mixmasters command. Last days of planning brought also several swedish players to the coy. Under command of Lord Helmchen and his 2IC Raphael, the mercenery company ranks second in my opinion. Their planning of 12h shifts for halves of unit gave me a unit that was around for the full day, but never as whole company. Again they were used for base protection mainly and for that I apologize yet again.

BORIS ROTA
2/3 of russians and baltic players, 1/3 of western red-alliance players that came to B5 only to experience once in a lifetime oportunity to play side by side with authentic russians. As I established, communication with russians is a bit more difficult than with others, but once we started walking in the same direction, Boris was a very powerful unit. Vader himself was on moments very tired looking and overherd lots of information at briefings so I had a translator with him at a later stage. My compliments to Demon (fox-tail), this is one hard-core russian you don't want to meet as the enemy. My respect also to Pavel, Shaman and others who led the group, I wish Russia was closer to Slovenia so we could play more often!

VASILIJ ROTA
I thought initially this would be my favorite company but as it turned out unit had their CO unavailable most of the time, platoons were on their own and none of them stayed in base for protection long enough, players disobeyed and went looking for their own action disregarding what happened to base. So Dmitry and Herman had to cover spots for them. Mike, you blew it clean in my opinion.

----------- not ranked anymore, we also had two special platoons by our side:

MIHAIL
Mechanised platoon of some 40 slovaks. Crazy people, very efficient and very dependable. But then again, Tomy you know all that already.

SERGEI
Specnaz platoon formed of mainly dutch and belgian players, started their fight on Thursday before noon and their commanders are today considered my friends. Waffelke, Red, Whiteace... great company, joyful times in base and hell of a protection unit during my expedition! Also many thanks for stepping in my place during my sleep. See you in Slovenija in September ;)

Main two things I would change if I knew then what I know today:
- I would NOT make a fixed base. All the tents would be offgame and our operations would only then be 90% offensive.
- I would push for radios all the way down to platoon level. Up to May this was the plan, only to be at the beginning of the game decided that there are not enough radios for everyone. If platoon and coy commanders would know this in advance, they would order their radios.

With these two issues solved we would perform way better than we actually did.

It was a pleasure to play with you and against you, thank you all for attending this game and putting your trust in me. See you at the next event!
B.
Mike, you blew it clean in my opinion.!!!!!!!!!

How you, with your commands and with absolutely no respect from your men (mainly from eastern countries), could say something like this??Who do you think was fighting one day before the whole Berget started with specnaz all in rain???...Who do you think blow up all 3 gun posts at Swedish base with others from Russia and Latvia about 140 fighters in the last main atack at Swedish base..Czechs were there too..!!Who do you think was as first at US base at the first day of fighting? 5 czechs and 2 slovaks managed to get in to US base at 3 a.m.!!!... I was one who shown you where US base IS at the map...!!!.....Before the main atack at US base...Who do you think that leads all groups at main huge atack on to US base?..Czechs were at first sight in fight..Im not saying that we were everywhere...!!!...but i think we did lot of good fights and say something like you said about Mike is clearly spitting in FACE!!!!!
Do you know why we did not accept your orders? Cause they were totally out of real situation at battlefields..!! You were not informing us about NOTHING...You just had no idea where US base is at day of atack at this base!!!...just "stay at the base and watch..."that was all from you..!!!...and i agree with those which tell that torturing POW was too much!!..they have really no important informations so there was no reason to torture them.

YOU BLEW IT CLEAN IN OUR OPINION..!!


But how my Grandma said..."Opinion from people which dont have your respect is uselles...."!!!!So go and think how great leader are you...
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Post by Vader [WG-A.I.M.] » 25 Jun 2007, 16:36

It was a pleaseure play inder your command, Brujo.
And it was pleasure too to play with you all.

Thanks for the GREATEST airsoft event in my life!

Tomy

Re: OFFICIAL RED-SIDE DEBRIEFING

Post by Tomy » 25 Jun 2007, 17:33

akira SA wrote: Mike, you blew it clean in my opinion.!!!!!!!!!

How you, with your commands and with absolutely no respect from your men (mainly from eastern countries), could say something like this??Who do you think was fighting one day before the whole Berget started with specnaz all in rain???...Who do you think blow up all 3 gun posts at Swedish base with others from Russia and Latvia about 140 fighters in the last main atack at Swedish base..Czechs were there too..!!Who do you think was as first at US base at the first day of fighting? 5 czechs and 2 slovaks managed to get in to US base at 3 a.m.!!!... I was one who shown you where US base IS at the map...!!!.....Before the main atack at US base...Who do you think that leads all groups at main huge atack on to US base?..Czechs were at first sight in fight..Im not saying that we were everywhere...!!!...but i think we did lot of good fights and say something like you said about Mike is clearly spitting in FACE!!!!!
Do you know why we did not accept your orders? Cause they were totally out of real situation at battlefields..!! You were not informing us about NOTHING...You just had no idea where US base is at day of atack at this base!!!...just "stay at the base and watch..."that was all from you..!!!...and i agree with those which tell that torturing POW was too much!!..they have really no important informations so there was no reason to torture them.

YOU BLEW IT CLEAN IN OUR OPINION..!!


But how my Grandma said..."Opinion from people which dont have your respect is uselles...."!!!!So go and think how great leader are you...
hehe, hehe, hehe and once again hehe. Oh, and I forgot something: hehe.

muahahahaheheheheihihihihihhihiahahahahahahahahahrghhhhhhhh

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hahah

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Brujo

Post by Brujo » 25 Jun 2007, 21:38

Akira, I am sorry if you read my story wrong. I am fully aware of all the merits that czech did, including assisting the Specnaz, guarding the W side of the base, leading the final attack of the swe base from the south... my message was to Mike, who did not keep contact with me. Plain and simple. Did you notice me wandering around the Czech camp couple of times? Yes, I was looking for Mike. I think Deki and Björn might have something to add to the issu aswel, but let us wait for this until we meet again in person and then we can discuss in all the fury of wild eastern-eauropean savages which we apparently are.

Again, Czech players did good, Slovenians aswel, GBGF aswel, but as a unit your were non-existing to me.

Tomy... hul hovno :wink:

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