A FAIR GAME OR NOT ???

[Ober-Lix]

I think it is time to point out a few things that really put a dumper on B8:

Before the game started a few poldavians spyed out by car the locations of NAF forces.

- NAF forces were greately outnumberd from the start.
- Base locations compared NAF to poldavians. The poldavians had a paradise
compared to NAF.
- 5th NAF HQ building totally unuseable. Health risk !
- Desert cammo in woodland ???
- 5th NAF base in the open easy to spy on from Eagle Cliff.
- Poldavians were given secret info by BE. Don´t know who it was but
had it confirmed.
- Transport requests took more then half hours to arrive.
- Requested rocket or artillery strikes rarely hit the given location, except
at the end of the game.
- Choosing a ground for a base that turned into a mud ground close to a
swamp after strong rain.

I am sure there are some more things one could mention but this should not be taken for soure grapes but noted for future games in this area.
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B6 2nd CO NATO
B7 Batallion CO Milo´s Tigers
B8 CO NAF 5th infantry battalion
B9 Swimming Instructor & Mudslider

War is the continuation of politics by other means. (Klausewitz)

[running+sizzor]

Who said it was going to be fair?

In real life things aren't equal, we are simulating that, so I wouldn't expect things to be equal. You play that hand that is dealt to you and if you loose or win, in the end that's not important. It's nice to have a fighting chance though.

That being said, it seems that more experience with the terrain is needed. What places go bad if it rains for example.

The airstrikes... I think ther were 2 occasions when people screamed at me there was an airstrike and I should take cover, which I did. But except for my team mates telling me, I didn't know if the fireworks were ment for us, some other location etc. and I never saw a marshall indicating people were hit or anything like that. (Maybe I was to busy taking cover?)

Being shot to (bloody) pieces at 5 meter range by multiple support gunners that almost stept on me I can say that you can hide with 3 color desert in the middle of a forrest. (No guilly suit, no multicam, just face paint and 3 color desert.) They never saw me, they just reacted to me shooting someone further away and sprayed all over the bushes hoping to hit something.
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Du kanna har hälsningarna från brabant
Polly soldier: "I suppose that if it rains really hard, Berget crew will pauze the game for a few hours up to a day."

[Losolos]

[Ober-Lix]

Hey, remember this is a game, not the real war ! Folks have payed a lot of money for it to have fun, not to mention the cost of travel. They have the right to expect a fair game.
I wouldn´t mind hearing what our italian friends had to say to it.
As the commander of 5th NAF, I wasn´t right pleased about loosing two of my companies due to the conditions.

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B6 2nd CO NATO
B7 Batallion CO Milo´s Tigers
B8 CO NAF 5th infantry battalion
B9 Swimming Instructor & Mudslider

War is the continuation of politics by other means. (Klausewitz)

[Trasher-HU]

These events are never "fair", it's impossible with the number of players (at very different experience levels) involved...
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B6 - NATO, Fox2, mech QRF
B7 - Orlov mercs, Bravo2, medic
B8 - Poldavian 3rd Mt, mech QRF
B9 - ?

[running+sizzor]

Maybe you miss understood what I mean by fair game.

It's airsoft, one team will always have "the advantage" but it's often also just a point of view. The organizor does it's best to make things equal, but there are so many possibilities within the game to do it you're way and people finding shortcuts within the rules of the game it's hard to predict.

If you want things to be truly fair, you need very strict rules, a symetrical playing area where all objects are artificial to get perfect mirroring of the arena. Replica's provided by the organizer, bright yellow and orange coverals, paint in the ammo to register hits etc. It might still be fun, but I'd call it paintball instead of airsoft.

The freestyle and unlimited range of options is what makes airsoft so great.

If you didn't like the base location.... you could have moved it for example. (Yes that would have had concequences, but so did staying put.) The ranger base for example could have used the reinforcements and we would happily have made room to house a few fellow NAF soldiers.
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Du kanna har hälsningarna från brabant
Polly soldier: "I suppose that if it rains really hard, Berget crew will pauze the game for a few hours up to a day."

[Ober-Lix]

[Tiger_1]

Like some cheese with that?
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"go to your God like a soldier!"

[Ober-Lix]

[running+sizzor]

[hezi]

[Tiger_1]

Our camp was on a slope to. When told rain was going to be hard, people rigged tarps, dug ditsches to divert the water, and we got ready to play on.
It rains, its a thing of nature, you either deal with it, or you get wet
So the rain was not an issue for the fair play of the game!
All sides had dropouts, and to say poldavia outnummberd you by massive nr i would say is wrong. All fights my unit was in was hard and hung in the balance several times.
What secret info from berget crew? I never heard it, and i was a bn commander. So i would like you to pm me with what intel that was obelix, and who you belive recived this.

I will bring some jarslberg next year
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"go to your God like a soldier!"

[Ober-Lix]

[Ober-Lix]

running+sizzor

But you were not out in the open !
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B6 2nd CO NATO
B7 Batallion CO Milo´s Tigers
B8 CO NAF 5th infantry battalion
B9 Swimming Instructor & Mudslider

War is the continuation of politics by other means. (Klausewitz)

[freno]

The only base that wasn´t located on a sloat was psyops. Eaven the Pold. 1:st INF had their base in a sloat, and one of the worst when it rains that i ever seen. All water poured down to the tents at the bottom of their "valley".

And you all know the story about the russian team living down there:
-What about the rain in your tent?
-That´s the way we like it, SIR!!!

Having tents, toilets, waters etc is ONE of the things we´re paying for. If some of the guys/girls choose to live out in the open or under tarps or NEVER sleep, THAT is choosen by them. The things we payed for, and BE promised to us SHOULD work.

The logistics of this cind of game might be hard to handle, and might be up for discussion. If there have been stoves in more of the tents from beginning, and more woods (delivered from BE or from players) the rain shouldn´t be so big problem.

We need to realise that BE can´t be responsible for the weather, but they might plan the locations better. They have now had late-time-changes of the playingarea twice!!! Bad luck i say! Next year might have better chance for better planning.

Not me neither have recieved any "secret-intel" from BE. The INTEL i got, i´ve recieved from my teammates or nice NAF-players!!!

The number of players was informed to us before gamestart, so everybody knew about it. It is hard to deal with this! If BE announce 600 players on each side and all tickets get sold emediately on one side, They can´t take them back!?
That the interrest of NAF-side was low is more interresting! It could be up to discussion about the STORY.

It´s true it´s only a game and we should never forget that! When we play a game like this, it WILL many times be diffrent numbers of players on each side. That might not be a problem when we´re not compeeting, right?
I need to say that i´ve been lucky on 4 BE, and never experianced being outnr. EXCEPT for B6 when i played as a Merc under Gen. Conrad, but not until we left the base we got attacked by ALL NATO?

I mean that a co can make a good game eaven with "outnr-players"? At home, i OFTEN have to deal with that and most of the times players think it is good games anyway!

I´ll bring some more VÄSTERBOTTENS-CHEESE next year!!
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B5 Russian warrior
B6 GCM - Evil Chemist
B7 Staff officer HQ Milo´s Tigers - INTEL
B8 PSYOPS - Commander
B9 Commander of COFFEE